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The Hero on Trial
What happens when doing your job correctly gets you arrested? Our discussion dives into the shocking case of a lifeguard who saved a drowning 5-year-old child in 2017, only to be arrested and charged with "reckless endangerment" when the ungrateful parents called the police, claiming he should have acted faster.
This mind-boggling situation forces us to confront some uncomfortable questions about parental responsibility, our broken justice system, and what society owes to those who save lives. Where were these parents while their non-swimming 5-year-old was drowning for nearly five minutes? Why did Connecticut's courts allow this case to proceed instead of dismissing it? And why did the lifeguard end up with two years of probation despite successfully saving a child's life?
The lifeguard's ordeal exemplifies a troubling aspect of American justice: "the process is the punishment." Even when innocent, being caught in the machinery of the legal system means financial strain, reputation damage, and profound stress. We explore how the presumption of innocence has gradually eroded in practice, leaving citizens vulnerable to a system that seems designed to process cases rather than deliver justice. Our passionate discussion covers everything from proper police interactions to knowing your rights as a citizen when confronted by authorities. This episode serves as both a warning about how quickly good deeds can be punished and a reminder that in matters of child safety, nothing replaces attentive parental supervision.
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hey, everybody, welcome to sake to me hey, everybody, welcome back to sake to me, where we connect people to people, even if it means you're almost gonna drown. So we got a story today. I'm here with kat, hey, hey, and man, oh man, this one's gonna go sideways because we got a lot to talk about, yeah, and we're starting with a story that was from 2017, correct, but ties into everything now, right, right, right.
Speaker 3:So start us off okay, so I'm, I'm flipping through, you know, facebook, tiktok, whatever you want to talk, it's a boring day. I came across this Instagram post from 2017 where a lifeguard I want to tell you this right now saved a child who was five years old, who had drowned in a new Canaan pool. He saved his life. He saved his life, okay, saved his life. Pool. He saved his life. Saved his life, okay, saved his life. And it turned around within a hot second that the parents ended up calling the police on him and he got arrested for reckless endangerment and risk of injury to a child. How did that happen? Supposedly, he should have been on it quicker than it took him to find the child in the pool, and I was flabbergasted. I just felt like I needed to. Just what the hell?
Speaker 2:isn't it? Swim at your own risk I?
Speaker 3:I don't know about that. It is, I guess, and there was a lifeguard on duty. Where were the parents.
Speaker 2:Uh well, how old was the child?
Speaker 3:five now I was five years old. Five, Five. Now. I'm sorry I've had children. You have children. I would never leave my five-year-old child unattended to have a lifeguard watch them. I don't care who you are.
Speaker 2:One lifeguard.
Speaker 3:One lifeguard.
Speaker 2:At five years old.
Speaker 3:The child was five years old Now. I'm sure there were other people in the pool and he's in charge of all the people in the pool. There was, like other children in the pool.
Speaker 2:Were the parents in the pool.
Speaker 3:That I don't know. Per the article, it did not say that the parents were in the pool.
Speaker 2:That's crazy.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I agree, but yeah, so he actually ended up going to trial and he was put on some kind of probation where he couldn't lifeguard for the two years and it obviously has traumatized this kid. I mean, and the whole thing is he saved the child? Bottom line is he saved the child and the parents are taking it as a risk of injury to a minor. I don't, I don't understand that the parents are fucking assholes well, it's obviously.
Speaker 3:I mean I don't understand. It is it's a simple fact that, come on, okay, maybe that they didn't see you, he didn't see the kid right away, he's watching an entire pool of other children and adults and but he got to your child, saved your child, gave your child cpr, saved the life of your child, who is now with you today, six years later, seven years later how long it has been. And back then you actually had the police called on him.
Speaker 2:This is a twofold story.
Speaker 3:Yep.
Speaker 2:First, why weren't you in the pool?
Speaker 3:Right. Why did you let your child go in the pool without you?
Speaker 2:You let one lifeguard advise your child they can't swim at five years old.
Speaker 3:Oh, yes, and left, right, what?
Speaker 2:are you retarded Right? I mean, why weren't they prosecuted, Right? Where's that?
Speaker 3:Where's that that you're risking the injury of your child, risk of injury to a minor, to your own child, for letting your child, who can't swim or swimming at five years old, unattended they left the kid that couldn't swim in under the supervision of somebody they didn't know, right, and then decided to turn around, sue right when the kid couldn't swim, correct?
Speaker 2:or you don't care about your kid exactly, you're a loser, right yeah, I was just totally flabbergasted by the whole thing you should have been awful, awful the whole thing is ugly. It's ugly as hell. Yeah, and it drew notice from the entire nation. Yeah, for whatever reason. And that poor kid I know that poor kid, the lifeguard, right, right, right now, four minutes and 59 seconds, where the kid's just sitting there flailing his arms, I guess. Yes, all right, pal, come on, what are you doing?
Speaker 3:Well, according to the article and what was wrote up, he was not doing anything to jeopardize his vision of the pool.
Speaker 2:He wasn't texting, then how do you miss it?
Speaker 3:Well, again, he wasn't texting, he wasn't reading a newspaper or a book or anything. His eyes were on the pool. He was doing his normal laps, that's not true. Around the pool. Hold on, he was watching around the pool and he may have missed the child for one of the laps.
Speaker 2:Then he wasn't doing his job.
Speaker 3:Well, he was doing his job.
Speaker 2:Not if he missed the child Johnny.
Speaker 3:Well, he got the child though.
Speaker 2:After he figured it out finally, four minutes later. Okay, yes, yes, and I will agree with you. He pulled the kid out, saved him Right. Kid's alive because of that.
Speaker 3:Correct, all right. I mean, I don't know what the minutes of time have anything to do with anything. Honestly, if you're in the ocean, brain damage Well, yeah, but he was still flailing, though he wasn't like floating yet he was still flailing around and then he started. I guess he was just starting to whatever.
Speaker 2:Time out. You can't see a kid flailing.
Speaker 3:Well, that could be playing to. I mean, I don't know, Listen, I would never be a lifeguard.
Speaker 2:Again, You're going to go back 10 other kids in the pool. That's what the article said Are their parents with the 10 other kids? I don't know. I don't know either Right, but if they were, where were these parents Right? And how the hell do you sue when you leave your kid in care of somebody else, right, but then he saves the kid's life, right? Who do you think you are, I know?
Speaker 3:Well, and again does it come down to the fact that it took too long for him to get to him, which I think what the parents concerned was, that it took them too long to get to their child in the pool. I mean, I guess by the time you saw.
Speaker 2:That's like telling a teacher fix my retarded kid. They can't. Well, I mean, you put the kid in school. Teacher can't fix it. No, I know you put your kid in the pool, Right, the lifeguards save them, right. And now you want to turn around and sue, right, selfish as fuck. All right.
Speaker 3:Selfish, right, stupid, okay. So even in this scenario, if you're swimming in the ocean, the lifeguards got a whole ocean to look at and they finally see you. It's going to take them time to get to you, so it's not like it's like whole bunch of people in the ocean. I mean the pool is smaller. I guess I would have to find the dimensions, I think I would. The pool was, but, um, I mean he was doing his job. He was supposedly witnesses, say.
Speaker 2:He was doing his laps doing his job and he just missed this one child and when did realize it, jumped in and got him my experience when I was trying to get my son to learn how to swim and he was five or six, whatever, yep it, yep, it was at the local YMCA, mm-hmm, right. And so we went there and we couldn't be in the pool area. Okay, because there were too many people Right and the area wasn't big enough. Okay, but there was an observation deck, right, right, yep, and you had access immediately. Right, right. Where the hell are these people? Right, five minutes? Where are you?
Speaker 3:Right, where are you? That's the point we're trying to say Exactly.
Speaker 2:Exactly. So how the hell do you have the audacity?
Speaker 3:to sue. That's my point. And this kid now had to go to probation by the way.
Speaker 2:You go to a park, you play baseball, you play softball, you escape.
Speaker 3:At your own risk. Thank you very much. That's exactly what I was just going to say.
Speaker 2:They put it up there and you know what you're doing when they send the kid in there, right, and it's your loss because you fucked up, not the lifeguard, right? He didn't do anything. He didn't drown the kid, no.
Speaker 3:Listen, I think being a lifeguard I give kudos to right now. It's a stressful job. You want to do that?
Speaker 2:that's great that's a lot of a lot of responsibility and he did it. He did his job well, he saved the kid, he saved the kid, he saved the kid exactly and he got two years probation.
Speaker 3:Yes, and and a felony. Yeah, they erased it, but still that's messed up.
Speaker 2:But that brings us into the next topic, which is, uh, the connecticut judicial system. Yep, because it's messed up. It is messed up yeah, it's something ugly. It's ugly, it's stupid, it's ugly and it's in cahoots. Yeah, well, there's a lot of shit working against everybody. All political. It is political, fucking dumb. Anyway, keep going.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, that's, I was just it. Just I was really upsetting. But I want to also say that, too, there was something that the I guess Lifeguard Association said that they've never, ever, ever had anything like this happen ever in the whole lifetime of lifeguarding, that parents actually sued a lifeguard for saving their child's life.
Speaker 2:That's the craziest part.
Speaker 3:Crazy.
Speaker 2:Absolutely crazy. If the kid died, I can understand. Hands down, you got a lawsuit Right. The dude pulled the kid out of the water. Yeah, that you're not watching Right Right or paying attention to, yep, you don't even know your kid's drowning Right, right, right. He pulls him out Right, revives him Right, and then you turn around and you sue Right, and this kid gets hemmed up. Yep, wow, people suck, people suck ass. And this is one of those things where I'm gonna go off again because it blows my skirt up, pay that for free.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, it's obnoxious. Why is it that anybody can make any accusation against anyone at this point?
Speaker 2:and you're hemmed up in court. Yes, no matter what, whatever it is, no matter fucking what. And then, oh, the punishment is part of the process.
Speaker 3:Yeah, for what Right, right, what did I do Right? What'd you do Right?
Speaker 2:You didn't do shit. No, right? No, but it's part of the punishment, it's part of the process. Yeah, why are you being punished, right, if?
Speaker 3:you didn't do anything, you shouldn't be punished. Yes, the parents, yeah, right, and their kids hammed up.
Speaker 2:Something got to be done about this shit. I know something has got to be done because that ain't right. No the whole thing is stupid, and now this was 2017 no, I get it it was a while ago it was a while ago.
Speaker 2:It, just like I said, it came to my attention but it's a story that illustrates what the fuck is wrong, exactly, exactly. I don't get this story at all. I know I want to be against you right now and be like oh yeah, right, the parents are the ones that should be accused, right, right, sent to jail.
Speaker 3:Seriously.
Speaker 2:Have their kid taken away by DCF. Exactly See what it's like you send your kid to swim Right taken away by DCF. Exactly See what it's like you send your kid to swim. You didn't pay attention to him. You're probably out doing drugs somewhere and now here you are coming back suing so you can have more drug money.
Speaker 3:Okay, stop. I mean, we can't say that we don't know what they were doing, but they were obviously watching their child.
Speaker 2:They were not watching their child.
Speaker 3:That's what it comes down to, and you said it, right, for whatever reason.
Speaker 2:Right, it probably wasn't drugs, I don't know. No, I don't know. I don't know these people, but they were not watching their child.
Speaker 3:Exactly.
Speaker 2:Like I said, my kid went to the YMCA, yeah, learned. There was an observation deck, mm-hmm yeah, and you had two-second access to the pool, yeah, so if something went wrong and nobody's watching, you're watching your kid, right, you have to watch your child. Where the fuck were they? For five minutes you left it on a lifeguard One, lifeguard ten people, mm-hmm.
Speaker 3:Well, ten children. There was other people in the pool.
Speaker 2:There were other adults in the pool, yes, so these other adults didn't see this kid flailing.
Speaker 3:I don't know.
Speaker 2:Don't get me started. This is horse shit.
Speaker 3:Horse shit, yeah. So that was what I was very upset about that today. So I just think the system sucks.
Speaker 2:The system is fucking awful.
Speaker 3:And here's a bigger picture too. The fact that the parents called the police on him and they actually had him go to trial makes it seem like what is going on with the system To even put this child on trial for saving a child. What is going on in the system? We can't trust that either. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 2:Somebody saved a life Right and you got punished for it and you're on trial.
Speaker 3:Think about it. Just let that sink in for a minute. Yeah, let's give you a hot second people.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's what I think of the justice system. I can't believe you just did that. It's nuts and the justice system it's nuts, and obviously we've seen it. Yeah, right, oh yeah, and it's absurd. It is a money making machine and that is it. Yeah, there is no right or wrong. There are no if answer buts, and this is getting fucking crazy yep yeah, and it's nuts and I'll get into it more and more as we go along right, let's just see what happens. Yeah, I don't want to bury myself before I get it but god damn it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's nuts. Yeah, I know how, how do you ham up this kid, and that's why we talked about port noli, oh yeah, uh, like two weeks ago or last week or whatever, yeah, and said that that's what you need to do right and those people backed out.
Speaker 3:Yeah, what a bunch of freaks, yeah it was a great learning lesson, though, but the state of connecticut.
Speaker 2:The judicial system here is absolutely stupid. Yeah, and that hold on this right here. I'll put it up on the website. Justice delayed In Connecticut's criminal courts. The process is part of the punishment. Punishment for what? For what? What'd you do? Yeah, so it's no longer innocent until proven guilty. It's guilty until proven innocent.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And that's the way this shit's going. That's exactly how it's going, and it's ugly. It's guilty until proven innocent. Yeah, and that's the way this shit's going.
Speaker 3:That's exactly how it's going.
Speaker 2:And it's ugly. It's ugly. Yep, because it's just a big cog that just wants to churn out money. Yep For everything.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And they just keep doing it, mm-hmm, for whatever reason they want, right, and how do you fight it?
Speaker 3:Yeah, that fight it. Yeah, that's why your money goes. Let me tell you you get broke the only way.
Speaker 2:And that's the sad part. Yeah, it's a very sad part, because there are people in it yeah. That haven't done a thing, right, right and they can't get out of it. Right and they're stuck there. It's stupid, yep, and somebody's got to fight back against it at some point, right.
Speaker 3:Agree.
Speaker 2:This is horrible.
Speaker 3:It is horrible.
Speaker 2:It is a horrible, horrible thing and I have a couple of attorney friends that say I don't want to be an attorney anymore.
Speaker 3:I can't blame them.
Speaker 2:I don't want to be an attorney, I want out an attorney.
Speaker 3:I went out. I can't. This sucks. I don't know who puts these judges on it that makes these decisions, or attorneys, or the whole system.
Speaker 2:I don't get it it trickles down right to the police first of all. Oh yeah and even lower than that but the police can do whatever they want, and then you're screwed.
Speaker 3:I mean there's still time out. I'm going to say there are still good cops out there, and there's there's. There are the bad cops, so you can't.
Speaker 2:There are very few left.
Speaker 3:Put them in a pool.
Speaker 2:The days of getting pulled over that mean like let me drive you home.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, that's long.
Speaker 2:Leave your car here, let me drive you home. Let's not hand me up. Right, those are gone. Yeah, now you get all these little pricks Right out of the academy. Couldn't make the football team, got bullied. Now they're police with a badge and a gun, like I can do whatever I want. No, you fucking can't. It's so true. You don't own me, bro. It's so true. You actually are supposed to serve me. Right, right, right. You're supposed to do things for me, not against me, right?
Speaker 3:So let's get this right yeah, If you're a police officer don't be a dick.
Speaker 2:So true, they all are. And here we are. And then you get hemmed up. All of a sudden you're in the court system and forget it. You're there forever.
Speaker 3:Well, too. Plus, if you get pulled over and you make a scene or whatever, you get arrested for something and you make a scene, you now are labeled do not answer police officers ever right, do not answer any police officer, ever right.
Speaker 2:Don't roll on your window, crack it a little bit, do not roll it down, do not open your door, do not do anything. Show your license, show your registration, ask them for their badge number, ask them for their name and record it yeah record it right, because then they can't lose the footage, correct? They can't? Oh, we don't have it right. Well, if you don't have it, then you just screwed your own case right.
Speaker 2:Right, I should be able to walk yeah right, absolutely, and it's disgusting the way things are going and cameras are the worst thing that ever happened.
Speaker 3:Oh gotcha.
Speaker 2:AI is going to be the next worst thing, and I love it. Yeah, I know, right, right, you can put anyone anywhere. Yep, and you can screw the person's life up forever, forever, yep, forever. If you want to be a pretentious prick, screw somebody's life up.
Speaker 3:Yeah, make them video.
Speaker 2:Things are going to hell in a handbasket. And now I feel like I'm my grandparents by saying that, because it's nuts, it's fucking nuts. Everything is insane, oh yeah, everything is insane.
Speaker 3:It is. It's like what the hell? It's a sad place right now.
Speaker 2:The first. You have the right to remain silent.
Speaker 3:Yeah, take full advantage of that. One people Take full advantage of that.
Speaker 2:Yep. Don't open the doors, don't open windows, don't unlock doors, don't do anything for the police.
Speaker 2:They work for you. You don't work for them Exactly. Remember that there's several servants Right. They're like postmen. Postmen deliver the mail. Yep, they drop packages on your door. They don't open it up and say, hey, I gotta come in, warrants, let somebody come in and just grab you out of the house. If they can, they have to have a search warrant? Yeah, to get in your house, right as soon as you open that door, you give them access exactly don't do it, people don't do it.
Speaker 2:Don't do it. People Don't do it, don't do it. Know your rights. Yes, Look them up. Right, and it's insane how much right you have that they tell you you don't Right and you believe it's insane. Yep, I got ripped off the toilet. I did.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 2:Because you guys opened the door.
Speaker 3:Fuck, I'm taking a shit.
Speaker 2:Taking a shit, Taking a shit people Like you're ripped off the toilet Nude. At least there was one police officer that was like all right, I'll let you finish. The other ones are like no, get the fuck out of here now Like I'm not done.
Speaker 3:I haven't even wiped. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2:Seriously, that happened.
Speaker 3:You know. Yes, we know.
Speaker 2:But these people are suing.
Speaker 3:Yeah Well, are suing. Yeah well, they did.
Speaker 2:And then, let's get into the towns, because most towns hire a head lifeguard okay, correct, yep, and they pay that lifeguard a handsome amount of money and they don't do anything. That head lifeguard never sees a body of water pool, ocean, river stream really so what's his job exactly then? He just puts other lifeguards in place to be there.
Speaker 3:Oh, can I get that job? It sounds like a great job, I would love it, I don't have to go in the water. I don't have to save anybody.
Speaker 2:I would love it.
Speaker 3:Here's your schedule.
Speaker 2:Sir, you can put that in a computer in three seconds.
Speaker 3:No shit.
Speaker 2:Have your whole schedule made. Okay, so that's another thing, ten grand.
Speaker 3:So is this that guy's problem? Now, because of this kid Do they go and sue that guy now too. How does that work? I don't know why.
Speaker 2:I mean again.
Speaker 3:This is an old story. It's not happening now people.
Speaker 2:But I'm wondering I don't know why the hiring? Why weren't there two lifeguards? If there's this many people in the pool, there should have been this many people Correct On duty as a lifeguard Right. It's this guy's fault, mm-hmm. If there were two people there, this guy might have found the kid drowning?
Speaker 3:That might be an issue too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then you just get into the finger pointing game. Oh yeah, it's just stupid.
Speaker 3:Again, it just came like I said. I came across this, I was just really upset about it and, uh, it's just saddened to this. Society is just the way it is, it really is, and just so the parents just don't care anymore. Watch your child, for christ's sakes, that's the biggest thing.
Speaker 2:Watch your child forget the finger point no, it's your fault.
Speaker 3:it's your fault. It's your fault, yeah.
Speaker 2:No, hey, addicts is that what it was? Whatever the last name was, take them fingers, point your thumbs up in the air and then point them at yourself, because it's your fucking fault.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, it's your fault.
Speaker 2:Your kid almost died. Yeah, it's true, you know kid into, you know your kid can't swim and you're relying on somebody else to make sure. Yeah listen here, pal. Where the fuck were you? Yeah, right, I'm sorry, I'm not saying be a helicopter, and I rely on a lot of people to do a lot of things with my kid and he's let's just old kid, yes, he's. Everybody goes through this, but so right now I'm a little aggravated one.
Speaker 2:But I know either way, yeah he's a wonderful kid don't get it wrong good kid if I was nervous about something or thought some something was going to go wrong right I'd be right there watching oh god. In fact, even when I'm not concerned'd be right there watching oh God. And in fact, even when I'm not concerned, I'm right there watching. Yes. Not as a helicopter, no Right, but I want to see him achieve stuff. Mm-hmm Right, where are you? Obviously, you two do not want to see your five-year-old child achieve anything in life.
Speaker 3:Well, I mean, even when my kids were little, I had them with the buoys. Those little um blow up things on their arms. They have life jackets on all that. I watched them.
Speaker 2:I didn't want to go far in the oceans or anything I'm gonna be honest, and before I say anything too, uh, I don't know outlandish oh boy, I believe that they were indian. They were like oh uh okay, oh the parents you mean the parents, okay the the last name, and then it was uh ahmed khanak and maha shazad ashraf.
Speaker 3:Okay, was the mother yeah, that sounds a little indian to me so they were at least foreign.
Speaker 2:Yes, by name. I don't know these people yeah yeah, yep, they could have been raised here. I don't know these people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they could have been raised here. I don't know, right, and maybe they have different cultures. Yeah, maybe they're like oh yeah, throw the kid in. If he swims, he swims, if he doesn't, he doesn't. Good point, I don't know what their culture's like. Good point, correct, so I don't want to culture.
Speaker 3:Okay, oh well, give them that Fine.
Speaker 2:Here in America. That's fucking stupid.
Speaker 3:You're here now, so this is what happens when you're in America.
Speaker 2:In India or Pakistan or whatever, and again, I don't know identifying or whatever. If that's what you do, cool, good for you, right, all right, right, don't sue.
Speaker 3:No, you can't sue now.
Speaker 2:You good for you, right, all right, right, don't sue now you can't sue now if that's what you do, right, don't sue, right? That's not what we do here, right? We pay attention to the kids exactly. It's not our fault. You kid that almost died, it's yours, yeah it all comes back to the parents it always comes back to the parents and your kid is only going to be as good as you are.
Speaker 3:Exactly.
Speaker 2:So be good, yes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Yes so having said that.
Speaker 2:Having said that, we're at the end of the show.
Speaker 3:Look at that.
Speaker 2:Thank you for joining me here, Kat no problem Time flies around fun.
Speaker 2:It always flies. I can't believe it's already been 25 minutes and 10 seconds. Woo, no, we're 25 minutes and 10 seconds. No, we're going to edit this out, so that won't be it, but either way, we're at the end and, as always, guys, be good. Hey everybody, it's Ditto.
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