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The Parents Are the Problem (How We're Letting Society Down)
When Temple University students displayed an antisemitic sign at David Portnoy's Philadelphia bar, his response wasn't what anyone expected. Rather than simply firing them or pressing charges, Portnoy chose education over punishment—sending them to visit Auschwitz to understand the weight of their actions. This revolutionary approach transforms a hateful moment into a powerful teaching opportunity.
This episode dives deep into how Portnoy's response exemplifies what's missing in our mental health and judicial systems. Instead of paperwork and endless hoops to jump through, Portnoy offered meaningful accountability that might actually change perspectives and behaviors. Ditto and T-Bot contrast this with their firsthand experiences navigating systems designed to process rather than help people.
The conversation takes a personal turn as Ditto shares his frustrations with a judicial system that seems designed to keep people trapped rather than rehabilitated. Despite rebuilding his life, business, and starting this podcast, he finds himself caught in bureaucratic cycles that feel punitive rather than restorative. The hosts explore how these systems disproportionately impact people from different backgrounds and how they often fail those they claim to serve.
At its core, this episode challenges us to reconsider our approach to accountability, rehabilitation, and education. Parents bear responsibility for raising children who understand respect and human dignity. Systems need to prioritize genuine help over procedural compliance. And sometimes, like Portnoy demonstrated, the most effective response to hateful behavior isn't punishment but education that confronts people with the historical reality and human impact of their actions.
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hey, everybody, welcome to sake to me hey everybody. Welcome back to sake, to me podcast, where we connect people to people, even if it affects your mental health. I'm here, it's Ditto. I'm here with T-Bot, hey, hey, and we are about to go off on one again. Oh boy, as if Blue Origin wasn't enough, here we go on mental health and stuff like that. Oh boy, and we're going to start with Portnoy. Ah, david Portnoy. Yeah, my man Pots and Pants.
Speaker 1:He is a piece of great work, that man.
Speaker 2:I love Portnoy. Me too, I find him absolutely humorous. He's hilarious. He says it the way he sees it. I don't think he cuts corners. I don't know him that well, but from what I see, this is what I gather. Right, and he went above and beyond, yes, over the weekend.
Speaker 1:Over the weekend. Yep, he lost it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's why you and I are in trouble, oh boy.
Speaker 1:What.
Speaker 2:Because so he owns a bar Correct In Pennsylvania Yep, it's actually in Philadelphia. Yep, all right. And he owns a huge company. It's a multimedia company, right, he does all kinds of stuff. Yeah, he offers bottle service in his bar, which means he and the way he does it is, he gives out a sign and the waitresses have to make the signs Okay, and these idiots from Temple University decided to put up fuck the Jews, because they thought it was funny. I did see that In zero way. Is that funny to anyone anywhere? Nope, not at all. And I'm like, okay, well, who the hell would do that?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, where are they? They're in a bar. Mm-hmm, I certainly don't think it's 40-year-olds Definitely not Doing it.
Speaker 1:Definitely not.
Speaker 2:It's more like either underage or slightly older than 21. College Somewhere. Mid-20s, correct? They're in college, yep, and it turned out to be Temple students. Yeah, well, at least that's what they say. Well, we'll get to Portnoy in a minute, but they put it up there, yep. Who and how do you even think that's right? What kind of parents do you have that would even allow you to think that was okay?
Speaker 1:Well, that's when I saw that. I'm like are you kidding me In the day and age that people are where they are and this goes up where are the parents and how did the parents let this happen?
Speaker 2:That's why we're in trouble.
Speaker 1:You and I Well, yeah, it's our fucking fault.
Speaker 2:Correct? The kids don't know any better. Correct, and apparently neither do the parents, because we keep letting them do this like it's okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but even the schools, though, they teach that stuff. I mean, they don't teach you to fuck the Jews no, correct but they teach you about them that they shouldn't be putting that sign up.
Speaker 2:Okay, hold on because we're going to get into even more deeper stuff. But it's the parents' fucking fault, yeah, and the parents should be the ones prosecuted not even the kids.
Speaker 2:I never thought about that, but you're probably right. If my kid does this, I should be held accountable, right, no matter what age. Right, because obviously I didn't do my job as a parent, correct? Which is what's happening, right, all right, everybody. Just so you know, the uh little mascot here is climbing all over t-bot's lap. I'm trying mass mass. All right, just try and keep it as quick. Yeah, I will. All right, anyway, it's the parents, correct? We are letting our children down, we are letting society down Because we it's not my fault, oh, this wouldn't happen if this didn't happen. Oh, right, yeah, oh, everybody has a finger to point, except in the wrong direction all the time. Yes, point it at yourself, dude. Point it at yourself you. I'm not perfect, you're not perfect, nobody's perfect. Right, you make mistakes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Just say you made a mistake. Yeah, well, that's. A lot of people can't do that, unfortunately.
Speaker 2:But that brings us to Portnoy.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Who got out in front of it? Yes, and man. What a job did he do?
Speaker 1:He did an excellent job. Oh, he killed it. He killed it. Response to what he's doing to the media actually calling him.
Speaker 2:It is absolutely good for him, like good for him that he did this did you see where he had to shut down the interview because the woman was like trying to put it, spin it into something that, yep, that's our fault. That woman who claims she's a journalist, yeah, has no integrity. No, she's a loser exactly. And she's trying to make it something else. Oh, yes, of course, which means her parents didn't give her the integrity that she deserved when she was a child. Yeah, could be. You're right. Who knows? Right, I don't know her. I don't, I don't know. I mean, I watched the video, but I don't know who she is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah I don't know her parents, right, but that's where it starts. Yeah, it's. My son does dumb shit all the time and I I have to scream at him. Yeah, and everybody looks at me like you're too hard on him, I'm too hard on him. He did something wrong.
Speaker 1:Right, he's got to be polished, you've got to understand there's consequences to the things you do Of course there is Right.
Speaker 2:Everything. It's wrong. You can't do that. No, and if sign up, oh, I would have gone out to that bar, grab them and throw them through the window. Yeah, uh-uh, buddy, yep, that's not how this works, that's not even a funny joke, not even a joke.
Speaker 1:It's not even a joke, it's just. And did you see that part where he said he's not sure what happened in the last year about what's going on in the world, and he's turned it into a teaching moment sending? That's where we're going next. Okay, yes.
Speaker 2:So not only did he get up in because he's got such a following, it's easy to do Right, like, if that were my son, I don't know if I. We have this podcast. Yeah, we can hit a few people, sure, but I can't get up in front of it like he can. Right, exactly, right, yep. So he got up and he's like nope, screw this, they're fired, saying right, right, I was so proud of him. Yeah, that's how you need to be in this life. Yes, that's how you handle crap. This stage you have to.
Speaker 2:And then he realized that hamming them up and put them in the justice system, yep, he's just gonna screw him. Yeah, it's gonna screw him in the long run, right, so he's like you know what? How can we fix this? Yeah, and he came up with a positive idea to send him he's sending them to go through the concentration camps, that is, and Auschwitz, that is, and say, hopefully, this teaches them a lesson Like this isn't funny. No, it's not. This isn't a joke. No, this really happened and people really died Exactly, and it's not anything we really joke about. No, and you want to be funny with your buddies at a bar? Cool, yeah, not like that, but he's teaching them that. You put me on the line.
Speaker 1:Right, you put me in a situation. It was my bar Right, exactly.
Speaker 2:And I'm the one that's going to get screwed for what you did Correct. You have to be held accountable for it, right, right. And so I thought what his presentation was every person in the world did that it's not a vacation either.
Speaker 1:No, it's definitely not a vacation. You're home at eight, you're in the room, that's it. You got one channel, yep, crackers and water for the four days. You're there, seriously, and you walk to the concentration camp. You see exactly what happened.
Speaker 2:You see what happened and you learn about it right and you understand what you just did yep, and then we'll let you go right and don't ever do this again yeah it will forever be changed from that time being there forever changed I think what he's doing is revolutionary unbelievable.
Speaker 1:When I saw that, I'm like that is the best thing anyone could have ever done with those kids anyone, because these kids are so entitled, think they know everything and do everything. He got on top of it. I'll show you, buddy, you don't do this in my bar.
Speaker 2:This is what's gonna happen but he did it in the best way possible, totally best way possible. It's not like oh yeah, I'll bury you. Yeah, no, no, no, no, I'm not gonna bury you, right, I'm gonna make you feel ashamed for what you did. That's the worst, because this is what you've done exactly. Here's the here's what you've done, right. You don't even understand it, and that's the problem with school systems in this country, at least right now and the justice system. Yeah, it's all about paperwork oh yeah just pass them, just pass them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just pass them, just pass them. Just get them out of here. Get them out of here. Yep, they don't even bothered. This isn't even bureaucracy. No, I know, this is like a meat packing plant. It is chop them up, put them in a box out, send them. Seriously, chop them up, put them in a box, send them it's a good way to think about it, but you're right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, get them out as quickly as possible. Yeah, so, and that was that's what brought me to this topic right now is like mental health and the state judicial system. It's state judicial system yep, it's awful, no, it's awful. It is awful. It's not even awful, it's absolutely abhorrent yeah it is the worst thing I've ever seen, and it's funny because nobody can do anything about it yeah, no one, or they want they don't want to. No, they can't, because they do, they're in more trouble all right, yeah, you can't speak out against it.
Speaker 1:You're right, because now you're oh, you're disobedient, and oh, oh, oh, oh, yeah, but man, oh man, when?
Speaker 2:so I have these classes that I have to go to correct and I sit there with these people. Yeah, that much. I don't want to say much. Everybody in these classes are really good human beings.
Speaker 1:I'm sure they are a lot.
Speaker 2:They are.
Speaker 1:They just made a mistake.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no, it's not even that. Oh, they're from different walks of life. Okay, which is normal, okay right, okay, so it is a systematic ratio okay racism gotcha. So they're already judged. They're already judged correct. And and there was a kid in one of my classes and he doesn't say much at all, okay, he doesn't say much at all.
Speaker 2:And last class he just went off really yes, and he said so many, and he's from a lower economical status than I. Am all right, not his fault, not judging, not anything, I'm just trying to paint a picture here. And he went off. He was one of the most well-spoken, intelligent, poignant people I've ever heard speak. Wow, that I didn't know.
Speaker 1:Interesting Right.
Speaker 2:Okay, sometimes you walk in and you're like, oh, this guy's going to talk, he's going to be the keynote speaker. You right, never heard this guy speak. Okay, when he went off I was like, damn, I agree with that guy what he said, and it was everything I had already said, right I had already said, I have my problems with a lot of things.
Speaker 2:I have my opinions, I have my problems. I say a lot of stuff, I go off like a rocket a lot of the time, and it was refreshing to hear this person say this that's great and agree with them, right? And I started looking at everything. I was like are you kidding me? This is not rehabilitation in any way. Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 2:It's like it's a money-making scheme is what it is yeah, and it's awful yep, yep and here's portnoy jumping out in front and be like no, you can't do this Right, and coming up with new ideas to solve a problem that was hateful, right it was literally hateful.
Speaker 1:It was a crime. It's a hate crime.
Speaker 2:And he's like let's not hem them up in the system, right? Let's take them to Auschwitz and teach them, right? I think it's just.
Speaker 1:What the hell are we not learning from Boyle Exactly All? Of us should take notes from what he just did.
Speaker 2:What the Connecticut justice system is doing doesn't fucking work.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I got into an argument with one of my teachers or one of my class leaders. It's like how are you rehabbing me?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:What are you doing to make me better? Right, can you make me better? What is better? Do you want me to become a millionaire? Yeah, better what is better? Do you want me to become a millionaire? Yeah, I was on my way right and then I got divorced yeah, I was like what do you want from me?
Speaker 2:right, you just want to keep, you want me in the system, so I keep taking classes, so you keep getting paid. That's pretty much what it is. That's what it is. Yep, I was like, do me a favor, go back and look at my record yeah where's the crime?
Speaker 1:yeah, there is none. Where's the crime? Why am I here exactly why? Where's the crime? There wasn't any. Why am I here Exactly? Why do you try and?
Speaker 2:keep me here.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Fuck you. Yeah, big old middle finger. And then she's like well, my clinical opinion is your clinical opinion, your clinical opinion Where'd?
Speaker 1:you go to school.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right, where'd you get this clinical opinion? Right, wheaties box, she cut off the tag. What the fuck? Look, look, lady, I know more than you do, right, and I didn't take these classes Exactly You're not doing anything Right. And I said to her there's one other kid in this specific class. He's like how are you going to help me? That kid's got problems. He's got actual problems. Oh wow, okay. He's like how are you going to help me?
Speaker 1:She had no answers, really.
Speaker 2:Zero. She couldn't explain it to him. Well, we'll diagnose you for this. You're going to go buy a book or a stack of papers and then just push them through, right? You're not helping him with shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I said that weeks ago when he actually said that stuff, yeah, and now they're doing this and then all of a sudden I find out that's like four or five, six people in the class still have the same problem, same thing. Interesting.
Speaker 1:It's the same thing, right.
Speaker 2:It's not like it's different for each person. Right, right, right. It's the same goddamn thing. Wow, so they just pick and choose.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, you're right. You're probably right on that Exactly.
Speaker 2:And then it's like, oh, just another stack of papers now, yeah, and you can't get out of the rat race unless you become the squeaky wheel. Now this whole thing has caused me mental health issues yeah right, right. I just registered my dog, miss mazzy, as an esa yep, and it's all because of the judicial system in connecticut yeah, that's what's done.
Speaker 1:It's very nerve-wracking.
Speaker 2:It's nerve-wracking and then I never even had time to grieve a divorce, right, I was never given any proper time, sure, and then I have to go right into this, yeah, and now they just want to keep me here. I'm like, no, now you're getting the worst ditto you can ever have.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 2:Nope, not happening.
Speaker 1:Yep, here comes, ditto go.
Speaker 2:I'm not standing up for this. I'm not. Well, actually, I am standing up for this, no you should stand up for yourself.
Speaker 1:This is just ridiculous.
Speaker 2:I sat there for a year and a half two years and took it, took it, showed up to everything, was on time. You were, went to all the classes, did everything. I was supposed to, expecting that they'd be like all right, cool, cool, You're good man, yep, nope. Every time I get to the end of a class, oh well, this happened. X, y, z. Right, you need three more? Right, okay, I'll do the three more and then I'm done, right, because I don't know what you're talking about. Right, right, get to the three more. Oh well, this happened, yeah.
Speaker 1:And we kind of want treatment for yeah, I just did everything you asked, right? And so you're lumping me in with everyone else yep, that's what you're doing pretty much, so you do this to everybody.
Speaker 2:It's not just me, sounds like it it's not just me, it's everyone, and they're doing it on purpose, and if you are a social worker for this state or a probation officer, you should be ashamed. If that makes you feel good, holy shit. Well, go build a house. In my time, in the last, since January 17th of 23, I have not only resurrected myself by myself. Yep, no help to anybody, no thanks to anybody else but you and Casey. I have started a podcast. I've no help to anybody. No thanks to anybody else but you and Casey. I have started a podcast. I've learned how to use AI. I've done all these things to make myself better. And then, after all of that, I had to go through the decision of whether or not I wanted to go back to what I did, because I was already really fucking good at it.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:I'm like do I really want to keep doing this? I'm older now, fucking good at it, right. I'm like do I really want to keep doing this? I'm older now. I made a decision to do both of them because I want to see if I can do both of them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, at the same time yeah I just got back to my feet, got my business back on track. After it was tried, it was attempted to be taken away from me, correct, and it was really hard to get any kind of people to hire me or do anything, right, because I look like this idiot which I'm not, what you're not. But I get it back and now they're like oh yeah, no, we have this problem. Because I looked at him the other day I was like fuck you, fuck you, that's what you're getting from me now. Fuck you right, put me in jail. Yeah, put me in jail. Yep, show me the crime and put me in jail. Yeah, I fucking dare you. I know this is nonsense it.
Speaker 2:Get me the fuck out of here Right Now. Yep, I don't do this, I'm not a problem. Yeah, in fact, I'm helping people, correct, I'm doing the exact opposite of what you're telling me. I'm doing, right, and you want to do this to me? All right, smart, yes, that's why that's brilliant.
Speaker 1:It's brilliant that's why it's revolutionary.
Speaker 2:Yeah, send me to auschwitz. Yes, I'll take a ride with portland. Go look at the concentration camps. Right, see what I don't know. Right, do you know? I mean, I don't know any about, I don't know a lot about that stuff. Right, it's talked about yeah, but very topically right. There's no real in-depth stuff.
Speaker 1:No, I know and frank.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and I know that guy, but I don't know the depths of it correct, and I don't know what families went through or how they were right or what happened. Yeah, I just know that it did in fact happen right, as history will say.
Speaker 1:So yeah, like 9-11 happened, yes what's like?
Speaker 2:there you go. What more do we know about that? That's it really yeah, really yeah, that's it. I know what happened. I know what happened, right. Nobody tells you any real truths, right?
Speaker 1:I know people that died in it, but other than that I have to.
Speaker 2:I know people that died of COVID True which, who was the anti-vaxxer we were just talking about the other day. I don't remember. He was called an anti-va which, and he was right wasn't bill burr, wasn't will ferrell. Anyway, I'll figure it out later, but that's me.
Speaker 1:Don't take medicine oh yeah, no, you've never taken medicine, my gosh no, god forbid.
Speaker 2:First of all, again, I can't swallow pills. I was just gonna say you can't even swallow pills I puked like six times the other day because I I was trying to take some weird horse tranquilizers. I ended up throwing up everything I had in me into the sink in the bathroom.
Speaker 1:Okay, I don't think they really need to know all the details.
Speaker 2:Because I can't swallow pills. Oh no. I can't.
Speaker 1:It's just nuts.
Speaker 2:It's like you say all these things, but it's all rigged against you. It's rigged against you and I wanted to go over while we're here talking about some of the flaws in the justice system.
Speaker 1:Okay, First of all, if you had to have a tox screen or whatever, where do those cups come?
Speaker 2:from Pharmaceutical companies.
Speaker 1:Anywhere, probably they want to put you on more drugs?
Speaker 2:That would be my guess, probably, are you sure they're right? You know what? Listen, a police officer can go out and breathalyze you. Yeah, how accurate do you know that thing is, you're?
Speaker 1:right, I was just going to say how accurate are they? How accurate do you know these things are Exactly.
Speaker 2:What are they actually looking for Right and everywhere says, oh, they're 100% accurate. You're just taking their word and the guy's like well, you tested positive for alcohol several times, so how the fuck did I test positive for alcohol and then blow a zero, zero, zero on the breathalyzer in the same goddamn class?
Speaker 1:How's it work? How's it work? And what was I arrested for that had to do with alcohol? And is alcohol legal Right? No Right, but you want to try and hit me up. Yeah, that's some fucking horse shit. It no Right, but you want to try and hit me up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's some fucking horse shit. It is horse shit, some goddamn horse shit. Yep, and you should be ashamed of yourself, correct, for even starting that Right. That means you're trying to get yourself ahead and don't have any real desire to help me become a better person, right, which I don't think you fucking can anyway. So you're already behind a ball. Now you want me to stay here, take these hits and I have to keep going because I violated a class.
Speaker 2:I went in there and tested dirty for alcohol in a class which was the night before yeah when did you tell me? Yeah, right I couldn't drink. Yeah, when did you tell me that I had tested positive three times? Right, right, right, now, right, had you told me, maybe I could have fucking fixed it yeah right.
Speaker 1:But that's what they do. Yeah, right, totally. So they wait, they add them up Mm-hmm, and they let them stack. You don't know what's happening. No, you don't. Nobody told me they were testing, for I didn't even know. How would I know that Right?
Speaker 2:Well, give me the breathalyzer then.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Why give me this?
Speaker 1:Right, right Right. What's the fucking difference?
Speaker 2:He's like well tested positive for alcohol in your urine but you blew negative on the breathalyzer.
Speaker 1:So how does so? What's the problem here, pal Exactly? What are you trying to find?
Speaker 2:What exactly are you trying point? There's nothing else, right. I'm not doing anything wrong, that's my point. I'm an upstanding citizen, that right who has basically risen above the insurmountable totally agree with you yes, yes, and here they are, and I just finally, I was just like no, I'm gonna snap right now. That's what I'm gonna do, I'm gonna snap I'm sure you're not after of this, fuck you and the woman on the phone and I feel bad for her because she really is a sweetheart.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Just dropped her. I dropped her.
Speaker 1:Well, there's only so much you can take.
Speaker 2:There's only so much you can take.
Speaker 1:Exactly.
Speaker 2:And then when I asked her how she was going to rehab me, she didn't have an answer. Oh boy, but the whole system is flawed Of is. It's all racial. I'm in a class. There's probably three people that are white. Okay, oh, and here, even if you were to put me in jail because my urine came back dirty for alcohol.
Speaker 1:Right, everyone's, everyone's is thank you.
Speaker 2:You really gotta send us to court, you, stupid ass.
Speaker 1:Anyway, you take me away from my son yeah, what does that do to my son, right? You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:I'm not here, right and now all he has to do is look at his father.
Speaker 2:Oh, my father was in jail right and everybody uses that against him for the rest of his life. Totally great, because of what you did, right? Not because of me, right? I didn't pull over with a dui nope, you didn't. No, no, I wasn't drunk and disturbing people not at all, nope, nope. I'm at my house, home, home alone, doing nothing, right, that's what I do, and on the phone I'll talk to the lady. I'm like. I'm looking for business insurance right now, on a Friday afternoon. This is my life.
Speaker 1:Right, this is what I do.
Speaker 2:I want your help doing something bad. Explain to me why I need further help. Right, you know what I need help with. Don't even get started with that. They want to charge me like 600 bucks a month. I was like business insurance should cost about 800 a year, exactly. You want to charge me 600 bucks a month? Yep, fuck you insurance, don't get me started that's, I blew my skirt up.
Speaker 1:Tell you that for free this has been a good one and it's all because of portnoy yeah what he did was fantastic yep great that's what we're gonna leave it on.
Speaker 2:We're just gonna round back to that. Yep, his, his couple of things that he, whatever he got out in front of it. He said this sucks, you can't do this. Here's what we're gonna do, and then found a creative way to illustrate yeah what was done?
Speaker 1:right making a teaching moment and just having these kids learn.
Speaker 2:Which I thought was fantastic.
Speaker 1:Fantastic. Yes, you know, kudos to you, kudos to you.
Speaker 2:Portnoy, I love you, buddy, I don't even know you. Email me back sometime, please. Yeah, I just want to be a guest on the show once. Next time you're in Connecticut, there you go Testing pizzas.
Speaker 2:Stop by and just sit in for five minutes. Sit in for five minutes, yep, because I like your insight. Other than that, we're at the end. Alright, everybody, thanks for listening and, as always, be good. Hey everybody, it's Ditto. I want to give a shout-out to my buddy, larry over at Legendary Graphics. He designed our logo for us. It came out fantastic. He does wraps. He does all kinds of customized stuff for you. If you get a chance, go to legendarycom. That's legendarycom. Check it out for anything you need. All right guys, thanks Be good Saki to me.
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Speaker 1:Saki to me. Thank you.