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The Hidden Economics of Home Projects
We dive into the great DIY vs professional contractor debate, sharing real-life stories and insider knowledge on why trying to save money might actually cost you more in the long run.
• DIY horror stories including improperly installed insulation and electrical mishaps that resulted in injury
• Why hiring a professional often costs less when you factor in your time and potential mistakes
• How reputable contractors price jobs with cushions to avoid asking for more money later
• The truth about home improvement TV shows and their unrealistic timelines
• Red flags to watch for when hiring contractors, including those who pressure for immediate decisions
• Tips for finding reliable professionals through local lumber yards rather than big box stores
• Why major plumbing, electrical work, and projects requiring permits should always be handled by pros
• Real-world examples of predatory pricing, especially targeting elderly homeowners
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Hey, everybody, welcome to. Saki Tumi, saki Tumi. Hey everybody, it's Ditto. Welcome back to Saki Toomey, where we connect people to people, and you can either do it yourself or hire a pro. I'm here with Keebler.
Speaker 3:Hey everybody, how's it going here?
Speaker 2:we are today ready to talk about doing it yourself, or hiring a pro.
Speaker 3:Oh my god, yeah. Well, we're going to have some stories here.
Speaker 2:Oh, we got a lot of stories and this is right up my alley. This is your like.
Speaker 3:this is right up, like you said, not to repeat your alley, but this is your expertise, this is what I do. This is what you do for a living.
Speaker 2:Wait till you hear what I have to say. Oh boy, oh man, it's going to be good, you're going to open up some eyes.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah. So I got two actually. Oh boy, first one's not that bad, you didn't learn your lesson. But I didn't learn my lesson. I tried something again after this, but the first one was I decided I was going to insulate my own attic. So I got myself a bunch of insulation, went up in the attic and started laying it out. So my brother-in-law comes over, who is a heating and air conditioning guy, and he's like oh, what have you been doing all day? Before you finish the story, let me have a guess. Yep, all right. So I said I've been insulating my attic. He goes oh, let me take a look. I go up there, him, and I go up into the attic and he's like hey, dumbass, you put it in upside down. I had the whole attic with the wrong side facing up, which I had no idea. So, and it took me like it was like I mean, that's my first story, it didn't really cost me anything but time and that right there, it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you did it wrong. Yes, I did it wrong, but generally there isn't any backing in the attics anyway, oh, okay, so it didn't really matter.
Speaker 3:It didn't, but isn't any backing in the attics anyway? Oh okay, so it didn't really matter, it didn't. But of course I ripped it all out and reset it down and did it. So instead of a like a two-hour job, it took me like four and a half five hours. Second story this is and for all you people at home pay attention here, because this one's not good oh boy, decided we, decided I'm going to redo my basement and had a sheetrock ceiling. So instead of taking a hammer and ripping it down, I decided to take a sawzall, stick the sawzall up there. I'm on my ladder. Of course I didn't turn off the electric. The electricity Cut through a wire and got zapped and blew myself about literally five to 10 feet back off on my ass.
Speaker 2:Really yeah, Was that out of freight? Because normally what?
Speaker 3:line did you hit? I don't know what I hit, to tell you the truth, but I did have to get an electrician and it got me good enough where it just jolted me backwards.
Speaker 2:All right, then it wasn't a 110.
Speaker 3:No, it wasn't a 110. You must have hit the 220. I probably hit the big one, yeah, and so there was an elf flying backwards, and you get to see me, it's like you've fallen out of the treehouse yeah. Russ, did you build?
Speaker 2:that yourself? Is that where it was?
Speaker 3:I called the guy for that, but that's a true story. Make sure you turn off the electricity before you try to do something like that, or that's why you call. That's why you call the guy Now I do have an electrician.
Speaker 2:So you're going to take the lead on this episode, kind of Okay, only because I'm going to just retort with what I know and what has happened and all that stuff, all right. So I mean, otherwise it's just going to sound like I'm kind of bragging about myself, which I'm doing anyway, but yeah Well, you are the prophet. When you're a prophet, it just comes out like that I literally don't think I'm better than anybody, I just am. You just are.
Speaker 3:You're good at what you do. Well, I try to be. You know it's up for debate, but you are a good, all around righteous dude.
Speaker 2:So you've done some research on this.
Speaker 3:I've done a little bit of research. Yeah, I know that the industry makes a lot of money, like you, Hang on one second.
Speaker 2:I'm going to start us off and then we'll go with you. Okay, you got it. What is the difference between doing it yourself?
Speaker 3:and hiring a pro. What's the difference? Yeah, Well, to me, well, I think it's. You can. If you know exactly what you're doing, you can save money, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:That's up for debate. But go ahead. But if you, if you want things like for me, if I want them done right one time, I'm more apt to call a guy, I don't mind spending the money, you know. But if you have, I don't mind spending the money, you know. But if you have decent guys, I mean, don't just go with your first guy you call either. I'd say, shop around, you know. Oh, you have to, and make sure like they're well-established, like they have a good reputation in town or wherever you're at, or in the state you know when do you go to find that I don't know?
Speaker 3:Not a Home Depot, but the closest lumber yard to you. Yep, go there and ask them really. Yes, so they always. They would have a list of people on oh, absolutely kind of different, like electrician plumbers, stuff like that, you know, contractors basically painters.
Speaker 2:I mean, they'll at least have a list of general contractors that come in already. Have those people gotcha so? And they'll give you three of them at minimum you can, they'll. They'll give you three of them at minimum. You can ask for 10, they'll give you 10 of them Really, but they will give you three of them at least that are really good where you live, right, they already know that and no one knows to go to their local lumber yard to find that out.
Speaker 3:That's awesome. I never knew that. I have to totally agree with you on that. I've done that a few times and you get what you pay for.
Speaker 2:You get what you pay for Absolutely. And a little piece of advice I personally price every job high. Okay, so I never have to go back and ask the people for more money.
Speaker 3:Okay, so that's why you price my bathroom for the price you did Right.
Speaker 2:Awesome.
Speaker 3:That's why you priced my bathroom for the price you did Right, awesome that way.
Speaker 2:And I did most of the work. Yeah, all of the work. I just sat there and told you what to do.
Speaker 3:That's not true, but I did most of the demo. Yeah, but you told me what to do and it worked out.
Speaker 2:If I were to price a job for 10 grand Yep, I'm assuming it's going to take seven. Oh, okay, that includes me, materials and everything, and I have a three grand cushion, right In case something comes up. Right, there you go, and then at the end I can be like listen, it came out cheaper than I thought it was going to.
Speaker 3:You did that for my mother I don't know if you remember on her roof Always. You priced it and I'm just going to throw because she has a small ranch. I think you priced her for like $6,000 and it cost like $4,500. And you told her and she was happier than pigs and shit.
Speaker 2:That's how it works, and then you get repeat customers after that.
Speaker 3:Exactly Because you did the right thing.
Speaker 2:So that's why you don't take the cheapest quote. Oh, that's awesome. You're probably better off taking the highest one, because that would most likely be mine. Right, right, Right, Because I'm not trying to get that job. I'm trying to. If I get it, it's worth it for everybody. And it'll be more worth it at the end because I will save you money and we'll probably come in at what the lowest price was. Oh, no kidding, but I'm covering myself and you.
Speaker 3:That's a great way to do business. That's how you're supposed to do business. Never realized that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're supposed to do business, never realize that. Yeah, so well, there's a lot. So you're saying there's I'm going to try to put this slice nicely there's a lot of crooks out there.
Speaker 2:No, it's not that they're crooks, they're starving oh, they're pricing it low to get the job job and they didn't actually got to get through gotcha, and that's why you don't take the lowest one. That guy is pricing the job to get it okay, and that's where you're gonna problems and that's why you hear about all those contractors that are so horrible. Right right, like I had a nightmare experience. You took the lowest price. That's what you did, exactly, and you're giving us a bad name now. Wow, yep.
Speaker 3:I get it.
Speaker 2:Go to your lumber yard Ask for who's the best. Okay, because that guy doesn't need the work, which means he's good. Gotcha. Do you understand what I mean? I hear you.
Speaker 3:So basically, you get what you pay for. I've only got a high school education, but I'm understanding this, yep.
Speaker 2:And step number three don't believe what you see on TV, because they're lying to you.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, I mean it's like court. Yeah, court does not go like it does. There are a ton of shows now. I mean it's boomed, but I remember going back and you and I talked before the show started about what was like the one, one of the first shows we remember, and it was this Old House. Those guys were good.
Speaker 2:Which those guys were, I thought were very good. They were good, they were honest and they were. And until, uh, bob vila left and tried to become bob vila. Right, they were honest. They told you hey, we're in month six of this project. Right now these new ones are like oh, day 48. Yeah, screw you. You have 480 people doing this which you don't show on tv, right?
Speaker 3:now, is that what?
Speaker 2:happens. Yes, okay, you've already done this for the people that you already preselected.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we were talking about this and I started naming off some shows and you were like nope, garbage, nope, they stink.
Speaker 2:Yep, they're not good. Oh, that was a good one. I mean, I mean Chip and Joanna were good.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but they got out of it.
Speaker 2:People were buying their houses trying to get on their show, knowing that if they could, the house would be done and be worth like four times more than it was, just because Chip and Joanna did it Right, which is good for them, yeah, but Chip and Joanna are like we don't want this attached to us. Oh, right, right, these people are just buying our houses to sell next year, yeah, making buku dollars off of them.
Speaker 3:They were literally trying to do things for people. I didn't realize that and that kind of makes sense and it's. I mean I don't know if they have any like no-sell clauses or whatever, but I mean you know what I mean, it didn't matter. It didn't matter. No, gotcha, you can have a will, it doesn't matter. Yep, I mean, besides that, I mean some of the newer ones are kind of like off the wall, like you said, they do these houses in like three months, two months, and I didn't realize they had that many people there. Oh, you have to, and they only show you like three or four guys.
Speaker 2:And that is another thing that puts a bad connotation on contractors. Right, people think it's supposed to take two months and no, it's not how it works. No, it's so false Right and they're like well, why isn't it done yet? I was like because it takes six to eight months for this project. Oh yeah, yeah. I was like Like I told you that up front, Exactly, and you think it's two months, and why isn't it done? How come we're not here?
Speaker 3:Well, you told me straight up on my bathroom it's going to be like two months and it was basically six, seven weeks. You know, yeah, but we got caught, you've got to line all those people up. Well, you have to line them up, but we got caught with COVID as well.
Speaker 2:Supplies were like there's so many outstanding variables that you can't really prepare for. That will delay progress, right? It's not like I don't want my money. So it's not like I'm here for no reason, right, I just want to string you along. Yeah, it's because I there's stuff.
Speaker 3:I can't do so, being a contractor yourself, is there anything that you don't do on your own that you call a guy?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, really, I don't have the electricals. I don't do any of the mechanicals myself. Okay, I sub those out to people that have the proper licenses for that. I'm a general contractor Right, so I come. I'm like Home Depot, basically contractor Right, so I come. I'm like Home Depot, basically you hire me, I've got everything I need. Okay, Do you know what I mean? Yep, yep, you don't have to hire anybody else, I'll take care of it.
Speaker 3:I take care of all of it. Well, that's how, yeah, that's how you rolled, and you actually the plumber that you used I still use him today, miranda and that's how they get business Right. And the guys that you did with the tile, those guys were awesome. They're hard to get.
Speaker 2:Are they really? I'm glad I have them, but they're hard to get, for me too.
Speaker 3:Really yes, they're that busy.
Speaker 2:They are absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 3:Well, they're fantastic. You're right, the Donahues, the Donahue brothers.
Speaker 2:Yep, if you get a chance and you're in the area, call the Donahues.
Speaker 3:In Central Connecticut.
Speaker 2:Yep, the plumber is awesome. Oh, he's very good, and I use Tommy Bussett for electrical. That's my guy, jerry Alderay is also awesome.
Speaker 3:That's another one of my guys, yeah.
Speaker 2:So there's.
Speaker 3:I mean there's a lot of good people. They're a little bit older now, so it's they do certain work for certain people, Yep, but those are two very good electricians, absolutely, and so I have to do that Right.
Speaker 2:Otherwise, oh, that's, yeah, okay, I get it. Yeah, and you're not even really paying the DIY hire. A pro debate about what's better, doing it yourself does not save you any money. It doesn't. It doesn't and it could. It ends up it could cost you more, costing you more. Right, you have to figure in your own time. So let's just say for S's and G's, my hourly rate is 50 bucks. Okay, yeah, what's yours worth? To do it yourself? Oh, you could be out there making money at your job, at my job.
Speaker 3:Instead, I'm taking the day off To do this Right.
Speaker 2:It might take you eight hours.
Speaker 3:It'll take me two, exactly Because I already know how to do it and what I'm doing, right.
Speaker 2:So your eight hours is now $400 and I only charge you a hundred bucks, then if I do something wrong, like now, it costs you even more.
Speaker 3:Cut, cut the wires or put in the insulation upside down or whatever I'm doing wrong 90% of the time, the materials are going to be the materials, right?
Speaker 2:That's what it's going to cost you. Yep, that's what it's going to cost me. There's no change in that. So now it's your time versus my time is what is the factor Right? The last variable is like you take eight hours, I take two.
Speaker 3:Well, here's another thing that I used to do. I used to do this on my own. A lot was oil changes for your car. But then I found I mean, yeah, you could save a lot of money there because I think the price has gone up quite a bit for oil changes, but there's nowhere to get rid of the oil. That's the problem I had. You know, there is, there is a place.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I can get rid of it for you, man. You do everything I do, and that's why you hire me.
Speaker 3:That's how. That's how it works.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's how. That's how it works. Yes, ditto for hire, just called ditto the profit. I love it because. And so yeah, there are mechanics that run their shops. Yep, the furnaces burn that oil, gotcha yep so you take it that's why they well, that's not why they do it, but that's part of their perk for doing it right because they have a place to get rid of. They can just dump it in the furnace and go yeah.
Speaker 3:In the tank. They never realized that, yep, but yeah, I used to get rid of it when my dad was around because he worked in a machine shop. So he had access to the oil bins at his shop and got rid of it. So it was a lot easier to do oil changes back then, you know, yeah. You know, there's still places to get rid of it.
Speaker 2:I didn't realize, oh yeah there is, but you have to pay for that too.
Speaker 3:So that's an extra cost.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, Now, at this point I mean what do you think these places do when?
Speaker 3:they can't burn all of it. Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2:That's why. And then they just refine it and sell it back to you. Gotcha, it's a racket.
Speaker 3:They clean it, refine it, sell it back to you. There's money to be made out there. So one thing I do a lot on my own and I know you, I think it I don't know if it's your company or not assemblycom, some Assembly, some Assembly. Yep, I do put a lot of my furniture together, but I know you can also pay for that, which would save a lot of that's, a lot of headaches, and I mean I've done script a lot of shit like screws and whatever I mean, cause you're just not used to working with a drill, which you are, you know, or professionals are, yep. And then you got to go back to the store get more stuff. It's like, ah, caramba. Then you got to hear Mrs Keebler. I mean sorry, you know, hear your wife. Somebody's like sorry, mrs Keebler, she's going to be mad at you. Ah crap, I always get myself in trouble.
Speaker 2:We all do. We're not smart people, men in trouble, we all, we all do we're not smart people, men.
Speaker 3:No, we're dumb pretty much, but anyway, uh. So here's another thing that I I have a hard time with. You ever watch property brothers, yeah. And you see, you know there's a lady's profession is like a dog manager and her budget's like 725 000 for her rem. And then you think about it what the hell have I done wrong with my life? You know, you got a dog manager here with that much money to spend and it's like what am I doing wrong?
Speaker 2:That's the one part a lot of people don't take into account. Yeah, the budgets on those shows are so much higher than what you've got.
Speaker 3:I'm trying to think because that one is it because they're in better areas? I know a couple of those shows are in California, where the money's higher, or Toronto. I know one of them's based in Toronto. I think that's Love it or List it maybe with the houses what they sell.
Speaker 2:It does have a lot to do with where you are. That's why, chip and Joanna, the houses are like $110,000.
Speaker 3:That's not like that here. Well, no, that's like uh. Aaron and ben napier from hometown.
Speaker 2:They're down in alabama, mississippi we're giving a lot of shout outs to shows I don't like all right, let's give a new shout out.
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Speaker 2:So, right now they're looking for business, they go. So right now they're looking for business, they are Right. So if you call them now, you're going to get a solid price, absolutely Because they want to build a customer base.
Speaker 3:Absolutely so. Give them a shout.
Speaker 2:If I had the number I'd tell you. I wish I did too. I don't have it offhand, but I'm sure there's a website, yep, and I will see if.
Speaker 3:I can put it up on our website too.
Speaker 2:That'd be great. You can go to sakitumacom and look it up. I'll get it up there as soon as I can. True comfort Southington. Look them up, give them some business. Same with some assembly for crying out loud.
Speaker 3:Yeah, what about some assembly? I know that guy, that guy's awesome, he's our sponsor. That guy's hungry.
Speaker 2:So quick reference also into making a decision about the DIY. Yeah reference also into making a decision about the diy. Yeah, if it, if it has to include major plumbing, major electrical yep or a permit, just call, just call some, especially with a permit, absolutely call somebody.
Speaker 3:I know you saved my ass. Uh, back at my, my new house here. Um, I was thinking about having somebody come put a deck on and you're like, keebler, you can't do it here because you have septic. That's too close and I didn't know the guidelines, and you straightened that out for me, which was awesome. So what I did was a patio and you gave me a guy for that, yep, and it was awesome.
Speaker 2:That's why I have the red cape upstairs in my closet With the S on it Yep, whenever. I have to save a problem on it. Yep, whenever I have to save a problem, love it. You know, t-bot, we went over. I used to work for her brother. Oh okay, you know how many times I had to pull T-Bot out of the fire? No kidding.
Speaker 3:She's in the other room too. She's probably getting pissed right now. Ears are burning.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's it. That's why a professional is so valuable, right, and that's what you're paying for, so you don't run into mistakes like that. But you can get professionals that are not professional. Well, true, and those guys are on Angie's list, really, yes. Or if you get a Home Depot lead, home Depot tells you who to hire. Yep, be careful. The only thing I recommend Home Depot for is carpet, oh, home.
Speaker 3:Depot tells you who to hire. Yep, be careful. The only thing I recommend Home Depot for is carpet. Oh, they're good at carpet?
Speaker 2:Yes, they are. Oh, I don't know why. I've always had good luck with Home Depot and carpets.
Speaker 3:And now that you mention this, it's funny because it's bringing another story back with Mrs Keebler. When we first started dating that house she had up in Torrington which you did the roof for. She had a plumbing problem. She had like a willow tree in the front and it was clogging up the drain and stuff. She had a guy come out and she wanted to get a couple of quotes and this guy gave her a price but he says I can give you $1,500 off.
Speaker 3:She was like hemming and hawing. He says I can give you $1,500 off if you go with me right now. She's kind of pushing her. If you know my wife, you don't push her. No, you don't. Then come to find out she didn't go with the guy because the guy was pissing her off. She checked with the Better Business Bureau. The guy was pissing her off and she checked with the better business bureau and the guy was like blacklisted he was. It was like no, don't do anything with this, this plumber, because he just sucks yeah you know, and her intuition was spot on, which, which is good it's like even anderson.
Speaker 2:They have the anderson renewal. Yes, I don't know if it's good or bad, but those are the. I'm only using that as an example and I'm not saying anything bad about them. Okay, but salesmen like that, those are the ones you don't want to hire, right? I don't know if Anderson is good or bad at their renewal stuff, but when they go to the house they're looking for basically an older person, an elderly person. I'm going to tell you another story elderly person.
Speaker 2:I'm going to tell you another story, yeah, who was worried about their roof or their windows or their siding? And they're going to tell them stories. Right, how, this is I? I went and did a roof for a guy. Yep, he was elderly, he, in fact, he just passed away. So, oh, rip, condolences, yeah, yeah, uh. And the guy, and he like I just got a price for $18,000. Wow, I was like, seriously, $18,000? Yep, you have a raised ranch. Yep, wow, 18 grand for a roof. I did it for about 5,500 bucks. He was happier than a pig in squat.
Speaker 3:Absolutely. The story I got is the one you did for my mom Same thing. She got a quote it's like $13,000. And they're like, oh, if you can go right now, you know, put this much amount down. And I can't remember the company and I would say their name on the air because it was just well. I would Good thing Put good things out there, not bad things. Okay, but anyway, long story short, she didn't go with them and you did it $7,000, $8,000 cheaper and great job.
Speaker 2:Thank you, You're welcome. I appreciate that. But yes, that's what they do. They kind of prey on the elderly and they want you to sign it right there, Right right, Because you don't know how much longer your roof is going to last. Oh yeah, and nobody stops and thinks for a minute. Wait a minute. It's been there for 20 years.
Speaker 3:But what is the life expectancy for a roof? 20 to 25? Roughly.
Speaker 2:They say 25 to 30 years is every time you should redo it. Gotcha Right, and so I don't know if that's necessarily true, because I've gone in and done roofs that were 50 years old.
Speaker 3:Really.
Speaker 2:Yes, so it's like it depends upon the batch of shingles you get. Yep on the batch of shingles you get Yep With uh.
Speaker 3:Well, and what like the plywood?
Speaker 2:The weather.
Speaker 3:The weather, yeah Everything.
Speaker 2:And there's. I've gone to roofs where there's nails exposed and it's not leaking. Really, I'm like damn, At that point you don't want to chance it. No, exactly, it's not necessarily a dire emergency because it's not leaking. Right, because it's not leaking. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. But if you want to, here's what it's going to cost. You know what I mean. You don't have to sign with me today. Just remember. I came here and said if it's not leaking, what are you worried about?
Speaker 3:Right, that's definitely a red flag, somebody that's pushing you and pushing you and pushing you to go with the deal right now.
Speaker 2:The other thing with roofing companies nobody gets on the roof, Nobody goes up there to check?
Speaker 3:No, you did, I do you go? Not only did you go in the roof no, I don't, that's what I mean but you went on the roof and in the attic.
Speaker 2:Correct, check both sides, yep, make sure there isn't in fact anything leaking, because otherwise it's going to cost more. Absolutely, because I've got to fix sheetrock and insulation.
Speaker 3:Plus, you can't see the plywood from outside, correct? I mean, you can feel it if it's spongy, you know.
Speaker 2:But you can see it more on the inside. Yeah, if you've got discoloration or whatever's going on in there you know, and they will come in there and tell you that you're going to need plywood replaced, right, you figure it in there, and then they don't have to change anything, right so? You paid for something you never got.
Speaker 2:Exactly Crazy. It's the way they work which I think is scummy. I agree, I agree, and there's a lot of points in time in it's like how greedy do you want to be? What's fair to everybody? Right, I can make a couple extra bucks Cool. What do I need? If I made an extra thousand dollars on a major project? Great, I ripped them off. Yep, I made a couple extra bucks. I didn't think I was going to make and everyone is happy, everybody's happy.
Speaker 3:That's the way it goes. That's business, because it Fair is good. Yes, I agree, dude, we are way over.
Speaker 2:Are you kidding me? Nope, I wouldn't kid you, god.
Speaker 3:You look too silly to be kidding around with I'm in my new gear. I know, wait, you'll see it on video. Oh yeah, I got some new.
Speaker 2:Sakatumi gear. I got my. Don't Stare at the Sun. I'm Hot shirt on.
Speaker 3:Love it.
Speaker 2:Anyway, everybody love it. Anyway, everybody, thanks for joining, thanks for listening and remember you can youtube anything doesn't mean you can do it. You can see it on youtube doesn't mean you can do it, true, but as you listen to the professional here.
Speaker 3:Don't do like. Don't do like, keebler. Hey, everybody can podcast as long as you got the mics on right.
Speaker 2:But we but we are at the end. So again, guys, thanks for listening and, as always, be good. Hey everybody, it's Ditto. I want to give a shout out to my buddy, larry over at Legendary Graphics. He designed our logo for us. It came out fantastic. He does wraps, he does all kinds of customized stuff for you. If you get a chance, go to Legendarycom that's Legendarycom. Check it out for anything you need. All right, guys, thanks, be good. Saki to me.
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